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Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 05:01:00 - [1] Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 05:02:05 Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 05:01:17 Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Relah Something is wrong when we can't lock a battleship before it warps using this. It needs fixing. It would be a simple implementation, just give 2-5 seconds before cloak can be used after a mwd activation. Even doing our own tests, we got a recon's scan resolution up to 5000 and are still unable to catch a ship using this. I honestly believe it should be considered an exploit. Wow. If you guys can't catch BS, much less haulers doing this trick, you don't need to be pirating. Go mine in high sec. Pray enlighten us then, with your unbounded pirating knowledge? Originally by: Feng Schui wtf is wrong with me... i agree with bellum Or indeed you? SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 05:04:00 - [2] Originally by: Requiescat Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn ESPECIALLY with a MWD running (which increases the align time considerably). You are indeed missing something, MWD does not change align time at all. Easy solution, nano-discorokh. MWD, shield hardeners, speedfit. Get logistics spider tanking on the gate, sit the rokh where you'd normally put a discorokh, wait for some nub in a bs to try out the cloak trick and break your neck flying at him with bombs ablazing. Not even really necessary to get a point if you keep bumping. Hard but comical solution, everyone in the gatecamp rolls an alt and puts it in a shuttle orbiting the gate at 15k. Anything that gates in won't be able to cloak if there's a shuttle next to it. a) You wouldnt close the distance in time. b) smartbombs do not uncloak cloaked ships. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 15:26:00 - [3] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Wtf is wrong with me? I'm agreeing with Feng. Congratulations for agreeing with a total idiot then. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 15:29:00 - [4] Originally by: abbagabba Originally by: Setana Manoro Dude, Recons with 5000 sensor resolution is hardly normal and push button - kill. Not being able to lock something with 5000 sensor resolution that had a 1m isk investment is ... broken. Recons with 5000 scan res! A lachesis maxes out at about 2300, what are you flying? Well I didnt mention a lachesis with 5000 scan res BUT 4 Shadow Serp Sensor Boosters and gang bonus will get you to 2300. A huggin has a higher base scan res, and remote sensor boosters increas scan res by 15% each over onboard ones so I suspect you could hit at least 3500. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 20:03:00 - [5] Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 20:04:11 Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 20:03:44 Originally by: SirMoric First of all, doublepost. Second, I didn't know you could do that, thanks for telling me. Third, lol. fourth, rgds. 1) As ive said before - the conversation has take two different routes in the two threads neither started by me or an alt. I prefer this thread out of the two actually as up unitll recently its troll count was lower. 2) I think everyone should abuse this broken mechanic untill ccp fix it - this secret has been under the carpet for two long... wait till you read my upcoming rant post about logging off. 3) oh noes is he laughing with me or at me.. what will i do 4) Cheers SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 20:07:00 - [6] Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 20:07:03 Originally by: Rajere OP and anyone who thinks the OP is right, please please please bring your travel fit BS's to our neck of low sec. faction fit CNRs please. The solution I've already provided is simple: 1) sit 1 day old newb scout in a shuttle on the gate 2) when cloaking battleship appears on your overview, decloak him with shuttle 3) bump as necessary until you figure out how to put points on the battleship 4) Profit What the OP is referring to, is that once you hit MWD then cloak, you will still accelerate, and you're using the time cloaked to align to your destination. Once your MWD finishes it's cycle assuming you decloak at the correct moment so you can warp, your top speed plummets to its base speed which is higher than the speed necessary to initiate warp, so they instantly go into warp. This is what transport ships have been doing for years and the reason why they are so survivable in low sec. What the OP Fails to realize is this: 1) It takes 10 seconds for the MWD to shut off for this trick to work 2) Battleships take far longer to align than say, a prowler 3) You can keep a battleship bumped out of alignment until downtime, preventing them from ever warping, regardless of any tricks such as this to evade low sec ganks. Shuttles do the trick, or inty/frigates who are smart enough to know they're not supposed to lock the target, just decloak and bump them. You have time to call in friends from several systems away to actually land, lock, and put points on them. They aren't going anywhere. Please tell me where do you camp. And ill be heading that way in an exploiting BS with my alt with bpos in the carghold. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 20:23:00 - [7] Originally by: Twilight Mourning Originally by: Le Skunk Please tell me where do you camp. And ill be heading that way in an exploiting BS with my alt with bpos in the carghold. SKUNK Quote: Exploits An exploit is when someone bypasses normal game mechanics, such as by utilizing a bug in the game, allowing him to take advantage of other players without them having any means of preventing it whatsoever. When this occurs, we implore you to contact your friendly neighbourhood GM as soon as possible so that they can investigate the incident, prevent it from happening to anyone else, and possibly reimburse you for your loss: While in the game, select the "Help" function from your NeoCom. Press the "Petitions" button, then "New Petitions". Select the "exploit" category and press "Ok", then write as detailed a description as you can, including if possible the exact circumstances under which the cheat or exploit can be reproduced, and whether you know of any players who have been taking advantage of it. This is a working game mechanic. There are ways around it. Just because you can't figure them out doesn't m ean it is an exploit. It just means you fail. Post with your main SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 22:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Van'Klomp Perfect, another thread about this. Now all the new pilots who wanted to take there BS into lowsec know how to. Well done, keep spreading the info chaps. Whilst i understandyour concern.. if its a borked mechanic.. its a borked mechanic. These threads are coming up more and more, and ccp need to deal with what is obviously an unintended side effect of a game mechanic. Any attempt at covering up this information is doomed to failure as, the abuse of the mechanic is so good, it is guaranteed to spread. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 22:11:00 - [9] Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 22:11:13 Originally by: Ariel Dawn Originally by: Technix Doing this.. you also have to wait till your MWD cycles. SO... that is 10 seconds or so that you have to decloak a friggin BS.. before he can uncloak to insta warp. Try not failing at EVE. God these forums are a fine example of human excrement. People are flaming without even knowing what the OP is talking about. Just imagine the discussions we could have if people posted like humans instead of inane clowns. There is really no way to counter this sans-bubble. Uncloaking the ship within 10 seconds is next to impossible due to client/server lag, accelerating to speed, delay in the locking command, etc. I'm sure YOU can do it because you are so 1337, but its almost impossible to do with any sort of reliability. CCP is highly unlikely to look into this though, whilst it may be rarely used it does promote movement and activity through low-sec/0.0 in situations with no bubbles. Spreading out and releasing drones on jump ins momentarily is probably the only way to tackle them escaping. Cans, corpses, wrecks may help out as well (as long as there aren't enough to warrant a petition for intentional lag creation). A fine post from someone who understands the issue. The extreme difficulty to counter this is indeed partly down to server lag.. a further reason why ccp should be dealing with it. Whilst you are right that its unlikley that it will be fixed by ccp if just a few people are using it (ref: Imune allinace) I can invision a near future where this 1 million isk exploit will be in use widespread, and CCP will be forced to counter it. This unhappy middle ground, where some people know about the cheat and some dont, as more and more threads come up needs to be cut short. The death process of this exploit will be accelerated by widespread abuse of it. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.08 12:36:00 - [10] Edited by: Le Skunk on 08/02/2008 12:40:59 Edited by: Le Skunk on 08/02/2008 12:38:13 Originally by: Frances Ducoir Edited by: Frances Ducoir on 08/02/2008 10:43:58 pirates crying because they have to use their head once in a while... thats just hilarious... gb2wow? gatecamping is lame-ass-tactics anyway so adapt or stfu btw i remember reading a statement from ccp that said they want to move pvp away from gates and into the systems (belts)... this was when WTZ was introduced. the reason why this is not working is because ppl are still camping the outgoing sides of the gates. i hope there will be a nerf to this so pvp could take place where it should. Man your thick arnt you. As has been discussed many times: there is ZERO point gogin to a belt in low sec. Absolutley none. Crap rats, Crap ores. Warp to zero was introduced obstensibly by ccp to reduce server lag, not to get people off gates Gatecamping is the by far the most viable tactic available for pvp in low sec. Its pretty much the only place you can properly engage an enemy. Originally by: Stephannus Calimben we've caught people using this trick with a sensor-boosted-up-the-ass interceptor. interceptor doesnt engage, just locks (so that they can't cloak). Thanks for the positive input. The person you caught with this trick must have messed up (delayed between the mwd and cloak). You really dont have to dealy at all and can cloak instantly afterwards. I have tested this with me in the exploiting bs and someone in a 6k interceptor and the ship was unable to lock me. Originally by: Ranger802004 why don't you move to 0.0 and use an interdictor :) problem solved! LOL. Well we are talking specifically about exploiting in low sec, where ccp disalow the use of bubbles. As such 0.0 comments are irrelevant, unless ccp were to allow interdictor bubbles in low sec. Originally by: P'uck but yeah... "cloak-speedreduction-lag" to do it definetly reeks of exploit. and thanks for telling... finally. you ***es. exploiting that ** and keeping it all to yourself. you guys suck ass. It sure does. And its easily fixable in a number of ways SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.08 13:01:00 - [11] Originally by: Astradamus I tried that trick yesterday with my afrig and i have to say i didn't manage to instawarp anytime. Maybe it's easier with a BS and its slower acc/deacc time. Anyway, it needs for sure good time/practice as well as a little bit of luck. Compared to the WCS nerf brought by HICs, it's neglectable. Honestly, i've never heard of it nor seen it until yet. (thx btw) Astradamus P.S.: Defining lowsec gatecamping as the only viable way to pvp in lowsec is ... at least questionable. Go get a BS and try it, it took me three goes to get the hang of it. The options for pvp in lowsec. At a gate (traffic has to pass through, ccp designed bottleneck, no instant redock, occasional gang fight as people are forced to fight) At a station (insta redock in most stations) In a belt (killing the occasional noob in a mining cruiser) Probing out missions (not bad but time consuming, easily avoidable, and consist soley of 5 on 1 ganks) At a Pos (welcome to 0.0 cap ship type bore fests sensible people try are trying to avoid) As you can see, gatecamping is pretty much thte only viable way of pvp in lowsec. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.08 13:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Begottenotmade ...pubbies ..pubbies Isnt that a goon thing? SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.08 14:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Begottenotmade Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Begottenotmade ...pubbies ..pubbies Isnt that a goon thing? SKUNK Isn't he long winded whining a carebear thing? 1) Learn english 2) Stop trolling 3) Stop using pubbie SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.08 15:49:00 - [14] Edited by: Le Skunk on 08/02/2008 15:55:34 Edited by: Le Skunk on 08/02/2008 15:54:22 Originally by: Terazuk So far all I've seen in this thread is pure silliness... Any reasonably on the ball gate camper is going to manage to bump a cloaked BS attempting this trick. the counter technique is really very, very simple. 1. Click target on overview before cloakage. 2. Click approach 3. Activate MWD (If you haven't already) 4. Deploy drones 5. Bump/De-Cloak 6. Profit??? Seriously, if you camp a gate, pay attention to your surroundings. Pro tip for ya: When the gate you are watching flashes and makes a funny sound it means someone has just come through... You can even check the local channel and you may even notice that there is one extra person in local ...Be ready to act! Using this technique will rarely bag a covert-ops, occasionally you may get a Force Recon but it will get a cloaky BS 9 times out of 10. If you are set on camping lo-sec gates be prepared for the possibilty that the target will do pretty much anything to escape your clutches. They may even be as low as to fit WCS, curse their blighted souls! If all else fails... You could always ask them politely to stay still and turn off their tank/cloak while you shoot them. Well how patronising. Doubly funny this coming from someone who has scored a tiny handfull of kills.. two this month.. both afk... one in highsec.. arnt you the master or low sec gate camping, Your method does not work well due to a couple of reasons, primarily the water like space physics of eve, which dip your nose as you decelerate.. the instant deceleration when the target cloaks, and the server lag when he uncloaks. You also realise you can double click to aproach yes? And the mwd can be left running as he jumps in. Also you can have your drones out already, though they will have a hard time keeping up with your inty. So where do you camp.. ill bring my exploiting mwdcloak alt down and run your camp. Ofc with your uber skills, I wont be able to do it several times in a row... will I? SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.08 16:10:00 - [15] Originally by: Terazuk Edited by: Terazuk on 08/02/2008 16:06:29 Originally by: Tal Nok Your pro tip is about as dull as being forced to listen to two deaf people argue about politics. Please don't act pro or as a SERIOUS player (hah, I'll never let that one go) because I'll point and laugh, and that hurts peoples feelings. Who are you anyway? Originally by: Terazuk [sarcasm] Pro tip for ya: When the gate you are watching flashes and makes a funny sound it means someone has just come through... You can even check the local channel and you may even notice that there is one extra person in local ...Be ready to act! [/sarcasm] Fixed for ya [Edit]: Just because you lack the skill to do it doesn't mean others can't. Youve killed two people this month.. both afk.. 1 in empire. Seriously stop humiliating yourself - I doubt youve ever seen a low sec gate camp so stop posting about something you know nothign about. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.08 16:11:00 - [16] Originally by: Begottenotmade Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Begottenotmade Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Begottenotmade ...pubbies ..pubbies Isnt that a goon thing? SKUNK Isn't he long winded whining a carebear thing? 1) Learn english 2) Stop trolling 3) Stop using pubbie SKUNK 1) Learn english? (isnt) Clean up your own back yard cool guy. 2) Trolling? I'm posting in thread I want to, because of pirates whining that they can't half afk camp gates n gank noobie missioners.(you fail even having to whine about this) 3) Stop crying about carebears out smarting you. No post introduction to thread nothing know you about. Tech! SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.08 16:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Tal Nok Originally by: Terazuk [Edit]: Just because you lack the skill to do it doesn't mean others can't. Give me a video of you catching the perfected MWD+cloak ship in low sec. Otherwise your posts lack content. He cant.. th troll kills two afk ships a month. Hence his damming silence when challenged. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.08 17:30:00 - [18] Originally by: Agent Li it's because most gate campers in low sec are not attentive enough, and not flying the right fit for their little gang of campers. I have been easily popped by comptetent low sec gate camps - but they are few and far between. Each time I've been popped, I convo in game that they were highly skilled - and I salute their competency. It's actually refreshing to see competency. Thats a great attidue to have and indeed youd be suprised how many people do play this game in a good natured, non ranting, non smacking, non trolling way. As for your points: Attentive enough in that the pirates are on the gate before the ship jumps. CHECK Flying the right fits. HIC, 2300 scan res LAchesis, Huggin, remote reps, battlship support. CHECK SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.08 17:32:00 - [19] Edited by: Le Skunk on 08/02/2008 17:33:55 Edited by: Le Skunk on 08/02/2008 17:32:03 Originally by: milinkoee Just use a ceptor to decloak them before their MWD cycle finishes. Just because he has learned to properly avoid unprepared gate camps doesn't mean you should come running to the forums for a nerf. Learn to run a gate camp better. Again.. tell me where you camp and ill run my mwdcloak exploiting alt past your camps. Or will it turn out you live in 0.0 (like the first troll) or have only killed two afk ships in higsec (like the second) Server lag, water like space physics, delay in locking time, instant deceleration, loss of aproach when the ship cloaks, and insta warp makes your suggestion pretty much unusable. As you would know if you had actualy tried it instead of just randomly posting about it SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.08 17:42:00 - [20] Originally by: Shigsy Some people are really clueless. This trick has been around a while, but fortunatly, it is not well known, until now. Why did this thread have to be made These threads have been popping up more and more regulaly over the past couple of months. Another two of them posted this week. If its a borked game mechanic (which most people say it is) then its a borked game mechanic whetehr 100 people are doing it or 10000. I enocurage everyone to use it. It costs you 1 million isk It only takes 1 or 2 slots from a full combat fit BS. Its 99% effective It enables you to travel unscouted thoguh low sec at will. It will allow one of the slowest and bulkiest ships in the game to warp like an interceptor and confound a gate camp of 10 ships. The more this is abused, the quicker CCP will have to look at it and implement one of a couple of very easy fixes. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.09 12:33:00 - [21] Originally by: Ja'kar Simple question: Is this how cloak was to be used? Yes/no A very very good question.. one that perhaps strikes at the crux of the matter. worthy of a ccp answer please wrangler and co. When the cloak was designed and brought into the game by ccp , was it designed to act as a break on a mwd to lower the warp threshold and allow insta warping battleships? Is this what you designed it for, or is it being used in a way you did not forsee and thus is abusing the mechanics you programmed for its use? SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.09 12:50:00 - [22] Originally by: Joachim Kato Funny how so many peeps are trying to flame Le Skunk yet totally failing to see what he's saying (or they never been inna situation like this when you cant do nothing to a BS pilot who is using this method of evading camps). I'm not whining about that, I'm just saying that reading comprehension is 4TFW. You see, you CAN'T decloak him in time - it's impossible or close to it even when you have 16kms ceptor + 5 warriors assigned to it, cuz that BS will warp out and it doesn't matter whether hes cloaked or not BECAUSE he gets insta warp as soon as he is decloaked aniways. P.S. 95% of players here are seemingly ready to smack everyone (or someone in particular) and his grandma's cat while being totally incompetent which is obvious from what they post or how they understand the problem. I have this idea, that 80% of the peeps here haven't encountered such situiation previously thus can't understand the problem discussed here, 15% of the players are prolly too dumb or hammered to notice what happened when they encountered such mwd/cloaking BS aniways and that's displayed here perfectly - they don't get the thing we are talking about here, yet they still smack about totally different thing. Great post thanks. I think you are almost definatly right about the smack posts. The last two guys to be outed as trolls commenting on this issues were 1) A 0.0 pilot who dosent go to low sec and uses interdictor bubbles (banned in low sec) 2) A pilot who operates in high sec, and has killed two afk pilots in a month. Neither of which had any idea what goes on in a low sec gatecamp. The people coming out in support of the OP generally tend to be the people who actualy camp gates and know the mechanics and chances of countering such an abuse So ccp, where cloaks designed to reduce the warp threshold and allow battleships to insta warp? Or is this an unintended abuse of the cloak mechanics? SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.09 18:24:00 - [23] Edited by: Le Skunk on 09/02/2008 18:24:31 Originally by: banner ... please dont flame as im only suggesting a method that i found worked and might not work for others depending on lag or other influences... Hi thanks for your post. I would never flame a constructive post like this which is a cut above many of the trolls curently lurking in this thread (normally indicated by a ! in their portrait window :) ) Right. Your locking idea. Well.. whilst it is true that if you are locked you cannot cloak, locking does not prevent this technique. In your preamble, you mention that Quote: he must wait for his speed to pass the warping speed before cloaking as hitting cloak straight away will just stop the acceleration and render the MWD useless" This is incorect. You have to hit the cloak IMMEDIATLY after you hit the mwd. Align, mwd, cloak should take under 1 second - And it is impossible to lock the target in this time. We have tested this with perhaps the higest scan res you can get in this game, a faction fitted sensor boosted inty.. and it is unable to lock the target in time to prevent it cloaking. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.09 21:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn For those wondering about exactly how this technique works: 1.) You exit the gate cloaked, and stay cloaked for one minute. Use this time to orient yourself. 2.) (Steps 2-4 must be done in rapid succession) Double-click anywhere in space, ideally away from the camp. You will begin to come out of gate cloak. 3.) As you come out of gate cloak, hit your microwarp drive. 4.) Immediately activate your on-board cloaking device. 5.) While coasting cloaked, double click to align yourself with your destination. 6.) The moment your microwarp drive deactivates, decloak and warp. You'll warp almost instantly, because you're already aligned and the freshly deactivated microwarp drive means you're at full speed. Whilst this may work, it is an inefficent use of this exploit. You should align to your target in step 2, not mwd off randomly then try to align whilst doding speed cloaked. In large ships this would be very difficult. However, from a standing cloaked start, you can spin your BS to align where you want to go instantly. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.10 03:31:00 - [25] Originally by: Cedric Diggory Since the drone changes, decloaking targets has never been easier! - All ships launch drones - All ships assign drones to assist the fastest ship - The fastest ship zooms in the direction of the cloaked ship, which was easily located using your tactical overlay. - Huge drone spam covers the entire area, decloaking your target and probably a few other ships you never even knew were on grid. Well i note from your other postings your a 0.0 pilot, so your probably forgetting the horrid effects of sentry guns on drones (especialy now they nerfed the drone shield recharge rate) But its an interesting take on the idea, but it still suffers from the fatal flaw that evern should you uncloak the ship, all you will be doding is saving the abuser the hassell of turning off his own cloak when he is ready to insta warp. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.12 00:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Stele Toque It takes time to earn the skills and money required to outfit your ship in order to do this. No... no you dont. You need under 1 million isk of fittings for a battleship to be able to do this. You need to be able to use a cloak and a mwd... basic starter skills. This pittance invalidates 100s of millions of skillpoints, the teamwork which eve is based on, and billions of isk worth of ships and fitting. Its clearly unbalanced. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.14 18:50:00 - [27] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Psorion 2: That battleship has the same recloak penalty. If your camp is skilled enough to uncloak him before he can align properly you can get a point on him. So really, your lack skill and want to blame that on someone else. I suggest you improve your game, or move to an area of space that will allow you to use better tools. (Ie .0). Only problem with .0 is small stuff can attack your camp would have to have scouts, intel to keep from getting rushed by a bigger gang. I said before I've never had the problem of not being able to decloak a BS that was doing this, and I've never ad a problem decloaking a ship that's come through that couldn't warp cloaked. The offers still open to run my mwd cloak exploiting alt cleanly past your camp, if youd care to tell me where you operate, HICS or no. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.15 21:57:00 - [28] Edited by: Le Skunk on 15/02/2008 22:01:37 Edited by: Le Skunk on 15/02/2008 22:01:12 Originally by: Donna Maria Edited by: Donna Maria on 15/02/2008 21:17:52 Originally by: Le Skunk The offers still open to run my mwd cloak exploiting alt cleanly past your camp, if youd care to tell me where you operate, HICS or no. SKUNK Come to Syndicate. U will find us :) Well.. 1) Your talking about 0.0, which if you had been reading this thread you would have realised we are talking about low sec (you cant use bubbles either anchored or HIC/ interdictor). Perhaps this misconception is why you are maintaing it is so easy to kill the mwd cloak exploiter? 2) You have chosen not to post with your main, so It would be pretty pointless coming to look for "us" as I have no idea who you are. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.15 23:26:00 - [29] Edited by: Le Skunk on 15/02/2008 23:27:43 Originally by: Donna Maria Edited by: Donna Maria on 15/02/2008 22:18:48 Edited by: Donna Maria on 15/02/2008 22:16:40 1: ) U whine about the 'exploit' but you live in Low-sec, where tools to counter this cannot be used by 'game design'. You probably hate warp core stabs also. Cloaks impose limitations on those that use them. Never said it was easy to kill them. It shouldnt be easy. Not even in low sec with a scurvy gate camp. He has to do specific things in the correct way to evade you. This is how it should be. Lag or a mistake and he is dead. You make it sound like you have 0 chance, but if you got positioned correctly and had drones/etc around the gate to keep him from cloaking you would be able to stop him. Live with limitations of empire or leave. 2: ) Come to Syndicate, look for me in Local (about 1-2 jumps in). Think you will make it ? U fail at imagination.. the rest.. words and whine.. Adapt pyrate. Well youve been outed as a troll (if that wasnt already obvious from your constant trolling over multiple threads) Like the other trolls in this thread, it soon transpires that you dont even live in low sec, instead live in 0.0 and are dependant on bubbles for your kills. This is all very nice, but one wonders then why you are posting your genius advice in a thread about low sec gate camping? Your chest beating and 'come to 0.0 and find me like a real man' stance is laughable, and again is derailing the thread. Your posting with an alt, are to cowardly to post with your main, and therefore will never be take seriously. Indeed , I had ignored your more idiotic trolls, and only chose to refer to you when you made it obvious you were (like many of the other trolls) a 0.0er. Your point about warp core stabs is wrong. Warp core stabs were designed to facilitate escape from camps, and had to be used in large quantities severly gimping both the lock time, tank, and cargohold of your ship as a penalty. I, contrary to your assertion, think the introduction of the HIC was severe overkill by ccp. However the cloak was never designed to allow battlships to insta warp. Its been used to do so against what it was originaly intended to do so. It does not 'impose limitations on those who use them' in any real quantities. This abuse takes only 1 top slot, 1 million isk, and can be fit to a fully combat ready ship - and enable you to evade low sec gate camps, baring a fluke uncloak or a big fat finger syndrome. As for your oh so orignal idea about drones, why dont you go to a gate, move 12km away from the gate, and then zoom out a bit.... Look at what area you will be uncloaking.... now look at the huge expanse around you.... now consider how many ships you would need for this to even have a 50% chance of uncloaking the enemy. SKUNK EDIT (oh and before you say it.. no you cant jettison lots of cans around the gates)
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.16 05:26:00 - [30] Edited by: Le Skunk on 16/02/2008 05:29:29 Edited by: Le Skunk on 16/02/2008 05:27:21 Originally by: Donna Maria Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.. Waaaaaaaaa (Cry me a river) Troll > You Now U fail at imagination :) Furthermore ignored. Now, so far the people who have had serious objections to the OP's points have been a) A 0.0 er who depends on bubbles to hunt and has never hunted in low sec. b) A guy wiho hunts in high sec and has had two afk high sec kills in two months. c) an ex pirate who has never seen the trick done before (come back to the dark side!) d) ANOTHER 0.0er (this time with added extra troll) who resorted back to trolling when his pathetic points were crushed like tiny bugs. e) A selection of ranters with a ! for a portrait. The ones who agree this is an abuse of the intended function of the cloak seem to have a common trait.... wait for it.... they actualy operate in low sec and know what they are talking about? My offers to run my mwdcloak exploiting alt past the gatecamps of such experts were met with stony silence. So again CCP (hows about some sort of comment guvnor, either way) when you introduced cloaks into the game, was it with the intention of using the breaking effect of the cloak to allow combat fitted battleships to insta warp cleanly across low sec? Or is this an abuse of its intended function? If so , what do you intend to do about it. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.16 15:25:00 - [31] Edited by: Le Skunk on 16/02/2008 15:25:20 Originally by: HEY LISTEN Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 16/02/2008 14:45:47 Unless you are very unlucky and you decloak from your gatejump right next to a ship that stops you from recloaking the "frag warp" makes you uncatchable in low sec if done correctly no matter how high scan res ppl have. But you have to get things in order and get your timing right or you will get caught. Frag warping has been around for a long long time most of TI have been using it regularly for ages in low sec or non bubbled 0.0 as we tend to go for cloaking fleets anyway. You (or us as my main is -10 although i work in both low and 0.0 space) low sec pirates still get plenty of kills on your low sec gate camps so i suggest you suck it up and chill as theres plenty of modules in the game to help low sec tacklers but very few that actualy help the guys you hunt. I personaly do not consider this an exploit as you need to practice it and get it exactly right or you will still get caught and that makes it a skillful manouever not a guranteed exploit. Thanks for the reasoned post. People will note this is ANOTHER person who correctly states that using this 'abuse' "makes you uncatchable in low sec if done correctly no matter how high scan res ppl have" This person, along with the others who have correctly stated that this tactic has no counter baring a fluke uncloak) - Has operated in low sec, has seen it done, and indeed, his corporation HAS DONE IT MANY TIME THEMSELVES. I would have to disagree that it is a skillfull manauever which needs practice. It took me three goes to get the hang of it. Its simply a case of click click - f1 - f2 - f1 - click The timing element - involves waiting for a green bar to turn red - Its not rocket science (sic) Your reference to, "its been happeneing for ages now" is not an excuse for this abuse to continue... nay It FURTHER COMPOUNDS the abuse. And further DEMANDS a response from ccp. CCP - WAS IT YOUR INTENTION WHEN YOU BROUGHT IN CLOAKS THAT THEY SHOULD ACT AS A RAPID BREAK IN CONJUNCTION WITH A MWD TO ALLOW SOME OF THE SLOWEST SHIPS IN THE GAME TO INSTA WARP? OR IS THIS AN UNINTENDED ABUSE OF THE MECHANICS SKUNK

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